build system notes

We had a discussion in #kde-devel earlier about what KDE's requirements for a build system are. What are the current problems we have with autoconf/automake/libtool? What features do they provide that we really care about? How hard would it be to replace any/all of them with things that suck less?

I took notes of the discussion. They're below; I'd like to get more feedback on this.

(One of the first points that I'm sure someone will make is "auto* is cross-platform! We need to support KDE on platforms that aren't Linux!" etc. Look, we realize this. However, auto* provides lots of problems for us on platforms we do care about, including MacOS X and Windows. (Ask RangerRick or js about them on IRC, or email them.)

Just because we're using auto* and friends doesn't mean that our code works; as a matter of fact, RangerRick noted that so far, all of his issues with the Mac port of the work-in-progress KDE4 have been build issues, and none of them have been code-related yet.

This is clearly a problem and since KDE4 is an aggressive new major release, we should solve it in the KDE4 timeframe. We don't want to have to wait until KDE5 for a build system that doesn't suck, do we?

Without further ado, the notes from the discussion.

Must support:

  • generating binaries (duh)
  • generating shared libs (on all ELF platforms + MacOS X; Windows?)
  • icon installation
  • uic, moc, KConfigXT, etc
  • GCC visibility
  • automatic dependency resolution
  • manual hints for dependency resolution
  • flex/bison
  • non-recursive (flat) builds
  • --enable-final
  • builddir != srcdir
  • simple to the point of being learnable within 5 minutes
  • kdeinit support (?)
  • multiple build targets (libfoo, libbar, libbaz) in one file
  • --compile-slots, like in unsermake
  • pkg-config support
  • support rpath sanely
  • ability to link & run uninstalled binaries
  • easily integrated into KDevelop
  • 'admin' needs to be shipped in KDE instead of in src of each app (if we keep the 'admin' dir, that is)

Would be nice, but not necessary:
  • having a standard and distributed build system and test suite
  • ability to build from svn:/trunk/KDE

Thoughts?